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On Libertarianism and the Jews’ 2,000 Year Old Claim to Palestine, Part III

by Sep 24, 2016Articles, Foreign Policy1 comment

Rafi Farber admits he can't prove his claim Jews own Palestine based on a 2,000-year claim.
Rafi Farber admits on Twitter that he can't prove his contention that Jews own all of Palestine based on a 2,000-year land claim is true.

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So if you’ve been following my debate with Rafi Farber, you know he argues that the rightful owners of Palestine are the Jews based on a land ownership claiming dating back 2,000 years. This is the proposition we debated on the Tom Woods Show recently. The debate has continued afterward in the blogosphere and on Twitter. In one such conversation, he acknowledges that he can’t prove is claim is true.

Here are previous rounds of our duel in case you missed them:

Returning to our Twitter debate, here’s what you need to know:

  1. The conversation starts with reference to our debate on Tom’s show.
  2. At one point during that show, Rafi agreed Palestinian refugees could return to their homeland if they were actually descended from Jews. In other words, he rejects their right to return since they aren’t Jews. (He denies this in one of his tweets, but I’ll give you the quote below).

So here it is:

@jeremyrhammond, I admire your patience! Apparently Israel belongs to the Jews because @RafiFarber “wants it”! https://t.co/QGj2vxNUfi

— Thermite (@OtEasybrown) September 17, 2016

@OtEasybrown @jeremyrhammond Instead of focusing on who won, lets focus on that we agree in principle as to the solution. That is huge.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 17, 2016

@RafiFarber But we don’t at all agree in principle as to the solution! We are a world apart. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 18, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown that’s fine. What’s important is saving lives. a complete buyout of all willing is only real practical solution

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 18, 2016

@RafiFarber There is nothing impractical about respecting right of Palestinians cleansed from their homeland to return. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 18, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown I agree! Best way to get the Jew billionaires to give $650B is to allow exactly this so Pals can be paid off

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 18, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown We respect Pals right of return if PA gov’t respects freedom of Jews to pay out their claims, no death penalty.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 18, 2016

@RafiFarber You were quite clear in the debate about rejecting their right to return. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 18, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown time stamp please? Debate is recorded. Give me a time stamp where I was quite clear.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 20, 2016

@RafiFarber You said only if they took a genetic test to prove Jewish descent could they return. Are you denying this? @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 20, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown I am. Any Pal can return to previously unhomesteaded land.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 20, 2016

As promised, here are his exact words: he said Palestinian refugees’ land “should be returned, provided that they submit to a genetic test that they are descended from Jews. Otherwise they can’t stay.”

Time stamp (see here for the audio): about 49:35 to about 49:45

@RafiFarber That is not the context in which you made your statement that only if they are Jews can they return. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 20, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown ok. I say clearly, any Pal can return anywhere in Israel provided no evidence of previous Jewish homesteading.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 20, 2016

@RafiFarber But you regard all of historic Palestine as having been previously homesteaded by Jews! @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 20, 2016

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown Yes, I believe all of it is. But since possession is 9/10s of the law, I still have to prove that.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 21, 2016

@RafiFarber Which you claim to be able to do; hence you reject their right to return. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 21, 2016

So here it is:

@jeremyrhammond @OtEasybrown No, I do not claim to be able to do that. Only obvious cases are Har Habayit and Ma’arat HaMachpela.

— Rafi Farber (@RafiFarber) September 21, 2016

@RafiFarber Okay, thanks for clearing that up. @OtEasybrown

— Jeremy R. Hammond (@jeremyrhammond) September 21, 2016

And I rest my case.

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  • Javed Mir says:

    Palestinian case being well defended – hopefully now final borders be delineated under the two state solution.

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