I recently chatted again with Nate the Mutualist on his podcast, once again to explore the Israel-Palestine conflict, and this time we ended up focusing a lot on the role of Christian Zionism. We also explored at some length just how anti-intellectual it is to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.
Additionally, we reasoned that people who continue to defend Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza must either lack a moral conscience or be willfully ignorant because all one needs to do to see the truth is to open one’s eyes and see the brazenness with which Israel has been systematically perpetrating war crimes rising to the level of crimes against humanity.
In this context, Nate brought up Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s persistent position of supporting the genocide, and I expressed my personal feelings about having to withdraw my support for his presidential candidacy because of it.
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Specific points we explored include:
- How the media report on the ongoing atrocities in Gaza as though the conflict started on October 7, 2023, with Hamas’s attack in Israel, thus whitewashing the entire historical context.
- How the media serve their usual propaganda function, in this case to manufacture consent for the US policy of supporting Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians.
- How among the most vocal critics of Israel have always been Jews, and how younger people in the US today, including Jewish Americans, have a much more honest perception of Israel than older generations.
- How Israel’s apologists attempt vainly to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, yet when the secular political Zionist movement arose, the orthodox Jewish community viewed it as heretical.
- How similarly dishonest attempts to equate legitimate criticisms of the Israel government with “anti-Semitism” serve only exacerbate the problem of real anti-Semitism.
- How extreme Christian Zionists actually want to bring about Armageddon.
- How I de-indoctrinated myself from certain beliefs by actually reading the Bible from cover to cover with a focus on understanding the Hebraic roots of the original writings and meanings that get distorted or lost in various English translations.
- How before the Zionist movement, Jews and Arabs had friendly relations in Palestine.
- How the “Jewish state” of Israel was established through ethnic cleansing of most of the indigenous population.
- Why the Zionist regime in the territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea meets the definition of the crime of “apartheid” under international law.
- How Israel’s operation in Gaza meets the definition of “genocide” under international law.
- How one of the reasons for Western support for the Zionist project during the Mandate era was the unwillingness of Western governments to absorb large numbers of Jewish refugees from the Holocaust.
- How Israeli officials have violated the 1948 Genocide Convention by engagement in incitement of genocide, and how Israel’s genocide in Gaza is supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis.
- How the claim that Palestinian civilians are only dying because Hamas is using them as “human shields” relies on a euphemistic meaning of the term that bears no relationship to its definition under international law and refers instead to any civilians killed in Gaza by virtue of their being in Gaza.
- How I started out enthusiastically supporting Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s presidential campaign because I had come to have such great respect and admiration for him, including for his leadership standing up for the right to informed consent on the front lines in the fight against medical tyranny, but how I had to publicly withdraw my support for his candidacy because of his persistent support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
- How people choose self-delusion, such as my experience trying to get through to people with my warnings that the US government was lying about Iraq having “weapons of mass destruction” (WMD), and being faced with their choice to believe the government’s lies even though I was giving them all the facts and evidence needed to see that government officials were lying.
- Why the US government is the greatest obstacle to peace, and how the first step toward a peaceful resolution to the conflict must be putting an end to the US policy of supporting Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians.
- How I was warning people from the very start of the COVID-19 lockdown regime that government officials claiming to be “following the science” were lying and the true endgame of the lockdown insanity would be coerced mass vaccination, and how I was also accurately warning once the vaccination campaign began that officials claiming that the shots would stop transmission were lying.
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Here are selected clips from the interview:
Zionism is toast. How it will die, I’ve no idea.
I think so, too. This is the beginning of the end of the Zionist regime.
Some mental gymnastics here…..RFK is a shrewd individual who is well aware of the reach of the blue star enterprise. There is no way he gets to any position INSIDE the machine without the tacit endorsement of the cabal. Once inside the machine he may assume he will have the resources to rid the system of the parasites that have crippled humanity. Unfortunately, entering the machine can not occur without using the tactics of the target…deception.
So your argument is that RFK Jr is DELIBERATELY DECEIVING people by only PRETENDING to support Israel’s genocide, and this is supposed to persuade us to support his candidacy?
Am I understanding that right correctly?
Very interesting, a while ago, I had a conversation with a fanatical Trump supporter, and I pointed out to her that he supports the vaccines. And she said, “Well, he had to pretend, otherwise they will not allow him to do what needs to be done”.
Wowie. Now, the “he has to deceive” argument has come the full circle, and the argument – if it can called such – of Trump supporters has been picked up by RFK’s supporters. Very, very interesting….
Indeed, Alexandra. The assumption that we are just supposed to be okay with such deception and go along with it blows my mind.
Thank you for this interview full of important information. Every church I have been to (non-denominational) has promoted “Israel no matter what”. Only recently, not even following the current events of the conflict, have I felt in my spirit that something was wrong with the Idea of Israel being God’s chosen people today. My eyes were opened for sure and I will be extra diligent in not repeating the lie of Zionism to my children.
Becca, I’m glad you found the interview informative. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Yes. Video clips are VERY Helpful!
Thanks for letting me know, Jean!
Dismissing RFK Jr. as a viable presidential candidate may be righteous but is immature in the long run.
Considering the other choices being Biden and Trump, RFK Jr. leaves both of them miles away in
the dust. RFK Jr. understands the corporate capture of our government’s agencies, Congress and
it’s affiliates. He also has a passion and the governing skills to begin turning around the terrible policies
that have brought our US families and economy to today’s calamity and dysfunction. RFK Jr. is already
talking about the unspeakable: America’s declining health. He has great plans to bring representative government back with many debates, town halls engaging citizens to be involved in the process of government.
As far as the Israel/Gaza/Palestine genocide, we have to look at who will serve the American people and build up American lives. He wants to shut down gain-of-function labs, cut the military bases abroad, stop pharmaceutical advertising in the MSM, restore and strengthen our civil rights and curtail the censorship in the media.
The atrocities committed by our government, the WHO, UN, Anthony Fauci, DoD, FDA, and the others involved in the Unconstitutional rollout of dangerous bioweapons will be brought to light. This depopulation atrocity of global vaccination is leaps and bounds bigger in scale that the genocide happening in Palestine. The Covid Hoax is closer (and growing daily) in number to the deaths under Mao Zedong than Netanyahu.
RFK Jr. has 20/20 vision on the catastrophe of the Pandemic and has plans to
address the problem.
Trump is still doubling down and even saying the Jabs help stop cancer. This shakes my confidence in his ability
to discern reality and choose advisors.
Who knows what Biden thinks from moment to moment. Clearly, someone else is in charge.
I have not done so. This is beside the point.
Irrelevant to my point. My position is very simple, and it is very reasonable. I would go so far as to say that it is unreasonable to reject my position, which is that there are certain positions that ought to automatically disqualify any candidate from our consideration, and supporting a genocide is certainly one of them.
I would be much more inclined to take this comment seriously if it weren’t for the word “immature”.
I have many friends who will vote for RFK, in spite of his awful views on Palestine, for the same reasons outlined in this comment. And I can understand them.
But to day – and you have to vote for him, too, and if you don’t, you are “immature” – well, that, I submit to you, is immature in itself.
Indeed, Alexandra, that was my immediate thought upon having found myself described as “immature” for simply maintaining that (a) there are certain positions that ought to automatically disqualify any candidate from our consideration and that (b) supporting genocide is certainly one of them.
I say that my position is very mature and that it is immature to call me “immature” for maintaining a basic moral standard.