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How the Public Is Being Misinformed About Vaccine Safety and Efficacy

by Sep 2, 2017Articles, Economic Freedom, Health Freedom, Interviews & Debates, Multimedia61 comments

I discuss how the public is systematically misinformed about the safety and efficacy of vaccines with C.Jay Engel of Reformed Libertarian.

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Vaccines are proven safe and effective. Now just shut up and get your damned shots! 

That’s the essence of the mainstream “discussion” about vaccines. The establishment media won’t even scratch the surface of this issue and have utterly failed to properly inform the public.

Perverse incentives have been created by the government’s intervention into the market, including its granting of legal immunity to the pharmaceutical industry against vaccine injuries. Public health officials insist vaccines are safe while the government manages a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to shift the cost burden of vaccine injuries away from the industry and onto the taxpayers.

Meanwhile, anyone who dares to question the CDC’s recommended childhood schedule is deemed a heretic and viciously attacked, rather than the legitimate concerns about vaccines being addressed. It’s become a religion wherein one cannot stray from official dogma lest one be labeled a “conspiracy theorist” or “anti-science”–means of avoiding discussing the very real and legitimate concerns about public policy. What the public is being told that science says about vaccines by the priests of this religion and what science actually informs us are two completely different things.

And our liberty is at stake as the government violates our right to informed consent in the service not of the public, but the vaccine industry.

I talked about all this and much more with C.Jay Engel of Reformed Libertarian. If you want to understand how it can be possible that the public could be systematically misinformed about what science actually says about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, this is a must-listen interview!

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If you’re a pet owner, you may also want to check out the post “Dog Vaccinations: To Do or Not To Do?” from Simple Wag.

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  • nick quinlan says:

    Vaccines are the greatest medical fraud of the century. The entire agenda is based on lies, fraud, and deceit. Killing, maiming and injuring thousands of innocent infants, all for corporate profits, and insuring a steady stream of customers for the medical mafia. All involved in promoting this agenda, while at the same time covering up the dangers, deaths, and injuries, belong in prison for life.

    • Maryam Burney says:

      Vaccines are not a fraud…anyone with basic medical knowledge about immune responses and antigenicity would know that. They are intended to build immunity response to otherwise deadly and potentially widespread disease…and who are the most vulnerable to these diseases..children. Are there risks involved? Sure, but medical professionals would need to do a complete medical history to ascertain the costs and benefits it would have on someone’s life.

      • nick quinlan says:

        You are full of it. How can vaccines build an immune response in an infant with an undeveloped immune system? Their immune systems aren’t fully developed until the age of at least 2. Otherwise deadly diseases? You are brain washed. Outbreaks of measles and mumps occur in fully vaccinated populations, everything you think you know is wrong. Read some books that aren’t funded by this corrupt industry, and don’t believe a single word coming from the CDC, a for profit corporation, and basically a subsidiary of the pharma industry. 6-8,000 children die from poison vaccines each and every year, and they shamelessly call that SIDS and deny it was the vaccines, and untold thousands more are neurologically damaged, and they label those tragedies Autism. Over 4 billion dollars has been paid since 1986 in the vaccine injury court. If manufacturers could be sued in a court of law, with a jury, they would have been sued out of existence long ago. So stick your “basic medical knowledge” where the sun don’t shine.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        That is the whole point of vaccines…to build an immune response…when an attenuated virus is injected into an infant/child, the child’s adaptive immune response is triggered and he/she develops antibodies (soldiers for example) to fight off infection. Cells in the infant’s body, called memory B cells, remember this virus and are there in case the child is exposed to the virus again. When the child is exposed to the virus again, he/she has a big reserve of these soldiers to fight off infection stronger and faster than without having this. The more you are exposed, the more likely chance the viruses will break through your defense and cause devastating damage. The outbreaks that have occurred are due to the decrease in vaccinations in the last decade. I am a medical student and I have no stake, am getting no money, any information from the CDC, or anything like that. I am seeking a career to help people and have learned the knowledge to distinguish between false and fact. Where is/are the articles you are citing to state those claims?

      • Vaccines are intended to produce an antibody response which often comes at the opportunity cost of lost cell-mediated immunity. The result is a weakened, not strengthened, immune system.

        This is presumably the reason why every study examining the DTP vaccine’s effect on child mortality has found that it kills more children from other causes than it protects from the target diseases.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        The immune system is actually strengthened in response to vaccinations in many ways. First, a large # of pathogen specific cells are able to respond immediately. Second, there is no delay of antibodies being used to combat the pathogen as they are already developed in response to the vaccination. Third, a lower threshold of activation, so the body can combat the pathogen before it imparts any serious damage. And finally, there is no delay with which effector T cells are present and can fight pathogens in the infected tissue. Effector T cells are the activated form of helper T cells, which help B cells to become activated and activate cytotoxic T cells. These functions of T cells are part of the cell-mediated response. So how is that an opportunity cost? It seems that the immune system is more adept at fighting that particular pathogen and requires less cells, energy, resources than without this situation.

      • sabelmouse says:

        THAT is the myth!

      • Maryam Burney says:

        This is the science and medicine. If you go to medical or PHD school and study night and day about this information, see it being studied in a research lab and are able to understand the scientific method, then come back to me and tell me it is a myth.

      • sabelmouse says:

        none so blind as those indoctrinated and having paid for the privilege?

      • nick quinlan says:

        Vaccine “science” is based on fraud, lies, and deceit. Every single vaccine manufacturer has been sued for fraud, every. single one. Every vaccine tested is contaminated with particles of toxins that should not be there, like glyphosate for example.

      • AutismDadd says:

        That’s indoctrination. And IF you don’t do as instructed your licence to practice will be threatened. Please tell us you won’t be a pediatrician!

      • You are simply ignoring what I wrote in my previous comment.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        I just explained the science behind this process, which I have studied diligently.

      • AutismDadd says:

        No. Your are allowing the indoctrination to take over. You are well on your way to Parrot Status.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        I am just about to finish my first year in medical school and I am not indoctrinated or paid to answer. This is a speciality that is interesting to me and I spent time and energy to learn about it so I could spread some positive knowledge. My mom and dad are immigrants and they wish they had the privilege to get vaccinations at the time they were young.

      • nick quinlan says:

        https://www.arevaccinessafe.org/are-vaccines-effective/
        Your parents are apparently fine? Then why do they wish they could have been vaccinated, that makes no sense at all. You have no knowledge to spread, and a hell of a lot of learning to do, if you are sincere in your replies. But I don’t think you are.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Who cares what your parents want? First year and you are in AWE and already think you are God like and knows all. And you and your parents are alive and well. Did you inform the Pope of these miracles?

      • nick quinlan says:

        Your “studies” are indoctrination and brain washing with lies and fraudulent, bought and paid for “science”, just like the tobacco science from the 50’s and 60’s, with the CDC saying tobacco does not cause lung cancer.

      • You are still simply ignoring what I wrote in my comment prior to last.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Pretty much to be expected.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Nice cut and paste

      • Maryam Burney says:

        If you can stop attacking me and refute what I explained, then I can’t even discuss this. At the very least, try to understand adaptive immunity and vaccinations instead of reading articles from people who don’t understand. Scientists and doctors work hard to try to help others, and that is more than what you guys are doing by attacking me.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Hilarious. I’ve been reading about autism for 25 years. You are a first year med student and Disqus newbie. Its you who needs to weigh the information. This issue has been around likely before you were born. Don’t come on these forums to inform, come here to learn.

      • rat doctor says:

        Dadd does not have the educational background to understand scientific literature.

      • nick quinlan says:

        Stick to studying rats

      • nick quinlan says:

        The immune system is destroyed by vaccinations. Every study done shows unvaccinated children are far healthier in every aspect.

      • AutismDadd says:

        What about allergies triggered by exposure to a protein several times via injection? Why do children feel weak, faint, have anaphylactic reaction and seizures after vaccine administration? Have you been instructed to say COINCIDENCE by your instructors? Autoimmunity, what’s your understanding of an immune system on a constant seek and destroy mission of protein in our bodies? If you can’t fathom a connection to vaccines that cause an emergency response and massive antibody response and the connection to anaphylactic shock, you aren’t being told the truth. What do you know about NORMAL, primary, TH1 response? VACCINES caused TH2 immune response, that supplants TH1 . In short TH2 primary response isn’t normal.

      • nick quinlan says:

        How can an undeveloped immune system develop a response to anything? I think soldiers have clouded your mind.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        Children still have the ability to produce T- and B-cells and their respective responses. If children were not born with that innate and adaptive system, they would not survive. This immune functions is developed before they are born. That’s basic knowledge.

      • nick quinlan says:

        I see you totally avoided the post above. You have nothing to counter the valid truths I posted there. An obvious troll

      • AutismDadd says:

        How many vaccines did you have before entering school?

      • Maryam, you are still ignoring what I said, so once again:

        Vaccines are intended to produce an antibody response which often comes at the opportunity cost of lost cell-mediated immunity. The result is a weakened, not strengthened, immune system.

        This is presumably the reason why every study examining the DTP vaccine’s effect on child mortality has found that it kills more children from other causes than it protects from the target diseases.

      • nick quinlan says:

        You just joined DISQUS on feb 27th, 2018. You have 5 posts, all on this article. You claim to get no money, why did you say that? Guilty little troll are you?

      • Maryam Burney says:

        I saw this article and in order to respond, I had to make an account. I think its like talking to some religious people…even if you show them the evidence, they don’t want to accept it.

      • nick quinlan says:

        What evidence? There is no evidence proving that vaccines saved us from anything. There is no evidence that vaccines work. There is no evidence that the vaccine schedule administered today is safe. There is no evidence that vaccinated children are healthier, quite the contrary. But, there are mountains of evidence of the harm caused by vaccines. (4 billion paid out in the vaccine injury compensation kangaroo court) For example, the FDA stated safe level of injected aluminum is 40 mcg’s for an 180 lb. adult, and 17 mcg’s for an infant. The Hep B delivered within hours of birth contains 250 mcg’s of aluminum, and the Vit K administered the same day contains 100 mcg’s of aluminum. That’s 350 mcg’s of aluminum, a known neurotoxin. The brains of Autistic children contain alarming amounts of aluminum. All vaccines are contaminated with glyphosate (Roundup).
        All vaccines have been proven to be contaminated with various substances, and these vaccines have never been tested for carcinogenic properties. Cancer is now the leading cause of death in children under 15 from disease, 2nd only to accidents.
        The real religion is belief in vaccines, its like a cult, and its destroying the health of children. 1-38 now receive a diagnosis of Autism (varying levels of brain damage due to neurological injury).

      • AutismDadd says:

        Don’t you believe correlation = causation Nick? That’s how vaccines work. If the flu season is mild who claims credit? If a person doesn’t get the flu automatically it was the vaccine.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Yawn. You are pure troll

      • 655321 says:

        Religion…you mean like accepting on faith that vaccines are safe and effective?

      • AutismDadd says:

        That would be BLIND faith

      • Demaris Forsythe says:

        Since there is science-based evidence for that, it’s not faith, idiot.

      • AutismDadd says:

        What they are INTENDED to do and what actually occurs are quite different. Do you know 19 countries compensate for Injury and death? Do you know the NVICP has compensated for GENE MUTATION? Think about it, gene mutation. Autism is blamed on genes yet vaccines can cause gene mutation.

      • Maryam Burney says:

        Autism has been around long before vaccinations. There is a genetic factor, as well as environmental factor. I think its too reductive to say vaccinations are ineffective. Proper medical professionals are told not to administer in immunocompromised patients. Ultimately, vaccinations are just an inactive form of the virus. No one blames a virus for causing autism. Please stop putting links where there are not any

      • AutismDadd says:

        You are parroting. Autism was barely around and where is your evidence it was 1 in 27 for boys? Do you realize how many males that would be worldwide? And where are all the old men with autism? Environmental factor? Are you one of those so stupid you’d claim vaccines are not an environmental factor? What environmental factor is it then? So you also claim an MMR is inactivated virus? Its live. It can and does cause measles and replicates in the gut. It sheds and infects others. Wow you should study more.

      • nick quinlan says:

        She is an uninformed troll, she’s a newbie.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Lets educate her Nick.

      • nick quinlan says:

        Working on it

      • sabelmouse says:

        you are well brain washed.

      • Demaris Forsythe says:

        You don’t have a brain to wash.

      • Autism has been around long before vaccinations.

        Actually, autism was only first identified in 1943. Vaccines were in use long before then.

      • AutismDadd says:

        And wasn’t it suspected to be linked to thimerosal invented by Eli Lilly around 1936?

      • AutismDadd says:

        Vaccines don’t “build” responses or “teach” the immune system. The system is thousands of years old. It operates according to its evolution. Vaccines may have some effect, but they also intefere with natural immune function. Injection is not natural. These statements are akin to Columbus discovering America where millions already lived.

  • Thank goodness for the entire rest of the world then!

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